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01/28/2012

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With Santorum's spending record, and statements such as the below, how can anyone call him a conservative in good conscience? If conservative now means "Supporting the Status Quo" on Spending, and being a Fascist on Social policy, even when the Constitution provides no authority for the Federal Government, count me out. The Tea Parties were formed in opposition to Washington's Big Spending Status Quo, not support someone who actively participated in growing it. It is interesting to see all of the Tea Party vs. Republican Establishment influences within the Tea Party Movement. I am starting to wonder if as a supporter of liberty if I have more in common with the Occupiers than the Establishment Republicans. I fear we are seeing the death of a movement.

“One of the criticisms I make is to what I refer to as more of a Libertarianish right. They have this idea that people should be left alone, be able to do whatever they want to do, government should keep our taxes down and keep our regulations low, that we shouldn’t get involved in the bedroom, we shouldn’t get involved in cultural issues. That is not how traditional conservatives view the world. There is no such society that I am aware of, where we’ve had radical individualism and that it succeeds as a culture.” ~Rick Santorum

Hay, I too had a knee jerk reaction to that quote until I read it carefully, to distill his intent. Key terms: "radical individualism" and "we should not get involved in cultural issues". Those are not traditional conservative views.

My question for you is simply, who are you for, who has a shot? Electing a President is important stuff. Rants about ones frustrations accomplish nothing.

Dr. Paul has way more support than is reported. Newt & Romney are too busy in a slap fest, while Santorum is gaining serious ground. Paul is the only candidate who espouses what the Tea Party cried out for. Smaller, limited govt, fiscal responsibility, cutting taxes. Why do you people not get it???

Distilling intent goes right up there with defining what the word "is" is. Given the context and some of his other related statements, "radical Individualism" is to him as trivial a matter of an individual deciding whether or not they will take contraceptives. Such decisions are not "radical" to me, nor is who someone goes to bed with at night. I do not think they are "radical individualism" to most other sane Americans either.

As for his statement about "Radical Individualism" there has only been one society I am aware of that undertook such an experiment, and that is the United States. If I am in error, can you point to something where Mr. Santorum specifically describes this "Radical Individualism" and what he means by it? To me, in context with his other statements, means that he believes it is the government's business to determine who I lay down next to in bed every night, as well as to "enforce" their version of morals upon me. The Constitution can only govern a moral people, however, it was not to be used to "make them moral" and I have had many in the "Pro-Santorum" movement tell me the Constitution is a "moral compass," which tells me that they have either never read it, or fail to understand anything discussed by the Founders in the Federalist Papers and other primary source materials. They make excuses to violate it when their violation serves to further a purpose which is moral in their minds. I have a huge issue with some of the most amoral and corruption individuals in the country, those in the Federal Government, attempting to dictate to me what is moral or not.

As for my supporting someone who "has a chance," I would argue that Ron Paul has a much greater chance than Santorum for many reasons, not the least of which being ballot access, which Santorum does not have to obtain even close to a plurality of delegates, as well as the fact Santorum does not have comparable poll numbers to Obama in a head to head. God forbid he get the nomination, we are guaranteed four more years of Obama. While I am logistically prepared to survive the social unrest and likely rebellion that will cause, many of my countrymen, whom I care for, are not, so I would like to avoid it.

In closing, I heard someone call Santorum part of the "Let's go kill some Brown People right after church" crowd, and I do not think that could be closer to the truth. He is preoccupied with Iran, and engaging them militarily is not something we cannot afford, nor something I am willing to saddle my kids with. While you might call Paul's policies "Isolationism" which I do not think they are, I think on balance, non-interventionism is a much more realistic policy than Santorum's Pre-Emptive War. That said the interventionist foreign policy we have instituted since 1953 has not had a single long term success, not one. The only success we have had, was brought about by detente, not intervention. My Dad's favorite quote is the one from Einstein on the definition of insanity being one doing the same thing repeatedly and expecting a different result. I have yet to see how that is not the case with Santorum. I would rather have Obama than a "lukewarm" conservative.

"So, because you are lukewarm--neither hot nor cold--I am about to spit you out of my mouth." Rev 3:16

more rants. Good luck with that Paul thing.

You ask me a question and then you call my response which underlies my initial assertion a "rant." So much for reasoned discussion and intellectual honesty. If you want to live in denial land about the charlatan of a "Conservative" you support, go for it, but just at least be cognizant of what he is. Denial got us McCain. I am not looking for a candidate to saddle my kids with even more debt. They can't afford it.

Mr. Hay, the "live in denial land" accusation is oddly ironic coming from a supporter of a candidate who has yet to ever carry a state. Now that your guy has no shot, I invite you to do what I did when my first choice dropped off.

I wish that people could post their opinions without other people putting them down. I wonder whatever happened to freedom of speech? Calling someone's opinion a "rant" is just an insult and there is nothing constructive about it.

It's great to see candidates paying attention to Missouri during a presidential primary/caucus season.

BTW, don't forget that the Missouri Caucus, beginning March 17, will determine Missouri's choice for GOP candidate for President, not the primary.

Shalom, former United States Senator Rick Santorum, a GOP candidate for the presidential nomination is warmly welcomed in the "Show Me" State. I trust that he will have "media availabilitie" on the Dr. Gina show and perhaps Ramble & Rumble with Rabbi!. He has been invited since early this morning, but no response to the radio rabbi yet from the RICK SANTORUM for PRESIDENT campaign.

Just rebmmeer, as soon as the most Conservative Candidate goes ahead in the polls the MSM will run a hit piece on them. This is the Os Chicago way TAKE THEM OUT.

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